Kuchokera ku nymphet wokongola wa "Leon" amasiyanitsidwa ndi maudindo ambiri, chiyambi cha ntchito yake yotsogolera, diploma mu psychology, Oscar, umayi. Koma palinso zambiri zofananira ndi mwana wazaka 12 uja. Mosapita m'mbali ngati mwana, akutiuza momwe dziko lake lasinthira kwa zaka zomwe tikuwona.
Inde, simungamupatse iye makumi atatu ndi asanu. Zoonadi, iye ndi wokongola kwambiri, ndipo mimba sichisokoneza maonekedwe ake. Ndipo, ndithudi, iye ndi chifaniziro chowonekera cha kupambana - apa pali malonda a Oscar, Dior, ndi choreographer-mwamuna wotchuka, ndi mwana wokongola wazaka zisanu, ndi kuwonekera koyamba kugulu A Tale of Love and Darkness. kuvomerezedwa ku Cannes…
Koma kutchula zonse Panthawi imodzimodziyo, mthunzi wa mkwiyo umene suli wodziwika wa iye umadutsa pa nkhope ya Natalie Portman. Chifukwa "kuyang'ana wamng'ono kuposa zaka zanu" ndikuyamikira zaka, aliyense ali ndi ufulu woyang'ana msinkhu wake, ndipo palibe amene ayenera kuyesetsa kukhala wamng'ono; kukongola ndikungopambana lottery ya majini, palibe chifukwa chake, ndipo simuyenera kuweruza wina ndi maonekedwe ake; Harvard - "Inde, ukudziwa kuchuluka kwa manyazi komwe ndidakumana nako chifukwa cha kupusa kwanga, momwe ndidayenera kuthana ndi ine ndekha?", Ndipo mwamuna ndi mwana ... "Ichi ndi chikondi. Ndipo chikondi sichimapindula kapena mphotho.”
Chabwino, kupatula Oscar. akhoza kunyada. Koma pambuyo pa zonse, khalani onyada, osadzitamandira ...
Tinakhala pa khonde la hotelo yake pamwamba pa nyanja ya Venetian - kutali ndi chilumba cha Lido, kumene chikondwerero cha filimu chikuyenda bwino, mu pulogalamu yomwe pali mafilimu awiri ndi kutenga nawo mbali. Iye ali pano kwa masiku angapo, akuyembekezera mwana wake wachiwiri, ndipo tsopano akufuna kukhala ndi nthawi yochuluka ndi mwana wake mchimwene wake kapena mlongo wake asanabwere. Ntchito tsopano yabwerera kumbuyo kwa Portman, ndipo ndi wanzeru - mwina kwa nthawi yoyamba mu mbiri yake, nthawi yafika yoti azitha kuyang'ana moyo wake kunja, kunja kwa chipwirikiti ndi ndandanda. Apa zikuonekeratu kuti si pachabe kuti Portman analandira dipuloma mu psychology - iye mosavuta generalizes zochitika zake payekha mu chikhalidwe chikhalidwe mtsempha.
Natalie Portman: Ndizoseketsa momwe ndikuchitidwira ngati cholengedwa chosalimba kwambiri. Ndipo ndili ndi pakati, osadwala. Ndikumva kuti mimba m'dziko lathu lapansi yataya chibadwa chake, yakhala mtundu wina wa zochitika zapadera zomwe zimafuna chithandizo chapadera - chirichonse chimayang'ana kwambiri pa kusungidwa kwa zomwe zilipo kale kuti kukonzanso kumawoneka ngati kodabwitsa.
Nthawi zambiri, ndimawona kusintha kwakukulu. Poyamba, zaka khumi zapitazo, nyenyezi zinkawopa paparazzi, chifukwa zinkafuna kusunga moyo wawo wachinsinsi, tsopano akuchita manyazi ndi chidwi chawo, chifukwa akufuna kukhala anthu "wachibadwa" pamaso pa anthu, chifukwa kupambana mu zenizeni zathu zowonekera kwasanduka makhalidwe oipa. Zowonadi, nyenyezi zambirimbiri sizinkafunikira chidwi ndi anthu mwanjira iliyonse…
Ndinali nkhosa yakuda ngati vegan, tsopano iyi ndi gawo limodzi chabe la kayendetsedwe ka kayendetsedwe ka chikhalidwe cha chilengedwe, chimodzi mwa zambiri. Kale panali mawonekedwe okhwima, kuonda kunapangidwa kukhala mulungu, ndipo tsopano, ndikuthokoza Mulungu, pali zitsanzo mu kukula kwa XL, ndipo stylist wanga akuti: mwana, ma kilos asanu sangakupwetekeni ...
Psychology: Ndipo kodi mumakonda bwanji dziko latsopanoli?
E.G: Pulofesa wanga wapayunivesite yemwe ndimakonda ananenanso kuti funde loyamba laukadaulo wamakono lidzatsatiridwa ndi lina, lakuya. Kusintha kwachidziwitso. Anthu adzafuna kumasuka kwambiri kwa ndale, kuchokera ku nyenyezi - kutha kwa maphwando amalonda, kuchokera ku maboma - chidziwitso cha chilengedwe. Ndimachitcha kuti anti-elitism - kuwukira kwa anthu ozindikira kuti asatayidwe mwankhanza, ngakhale pamlingo wa zokonda, ma canon, zomwe akuti zimavomerezedwa.
Nthawi ina ndinamufunsa Cate Blanchett momwe amayendetsera zonse, ali ndi ana anayi. Ndipo mwanzeru adati: "Vina ndikuphunzira kuvina"
Kapena, monga momwe mnzanga wa mtolankhani amanenera, pamene apaulendo amawomba m’manja woyendetsa ndege atakwera: “Koma palibe amene amandiwomba m’manja pamene ndipereka nkhani ya mawu 10.” M'mikhalidwe yatsopano, luso likukhala lachizoloŵezi, tsopano ndikuloledwa kunyada kokha ndi ntchito zapadera, mawonetseredwe a pafupifupi kulimba mtima. Ndipo ine, mwa njira, m'dziko latsopanoli ndasiya kukhala wamasamba oyera, tsopano ndili ndi zofunikira zina, zikuwoneka kwa ine, zapamwamba: Ndiyenera kukhala wathanzi komanso wamphamvu, ndine mayi. Ichi ndi chinthu chachikulu.
Kodi munasangalala kukhala mayi?
E.G: Kunena zowona, zonse ndizosamveka. Sindikuganiza kuti "ndinakonda" ndi mawu oyenera apa. Aleph asanabadwe, ndinali ndi nkhawa kwambiri - sindimatha kulingalira momwe ndingagwirizanitse ntchito ndi mwana yemwe ndimafuna kuti ndizikhala naye nthawi zonse, nthawi zonse ... wake kwambiri - momwe amachitira bwino, ali ndi ana anayi. Ndipo adatinso mwanzeru: "Vina ndipo muphunzira kuvina." Ndipo ndinasiya kuda nkhawa.
Ndipo Aleph atabadwa, inde, zonse zidadzipangira zokha - zidakhala zofunika kwambiri, ndidasiya lingaliro la wolera ana maola XNUMX - palibe amene akuyenera kuyima pakati pa ine ndi iye ... kuphatikiza monyanyira - chakudya cha ana ndi matewera ndi kudzikana kwathunthu, nkhawa, ngakhale mantha ndi chisangalalo. Mumakhala pachiwopsezo komanso kukhala omvera - chifukwa tsopano muli ndi wina womuteteza. Ndipo wamphamvu, wotsimikiza - chifukwa tsopano muli ndi wina woti muteteze.
Ku Paris, ngati mumathamanga ndi mwana wanu pabwalo lamasewera, amayang'ana pa inu - sikuvomerezedwa
N’zoseketsa, koma tsopano ndimayang’ana munthu ndikuganiza kuti munthu wina ndi mayi ake, ndipo zingamupweteke ngati mwana wake akuchitidwa nkhanza. Ndipo ndimafewetsa ngakhale m'mikhalidwe yovuta kwambiri. Koma kaonedwe ka zinthu kamakhala kolakwika. Patatha zaka ziwiri ndili ku France - mwamuna wanga anali ndi mgwirizano kumeneko wotsogolera ballet ya Opera de Paris - tinabwerera ku Los Angeles. Ndipo inu mukudziwa, poyerekezera ndi Paris ... Wina akumwetulira mwana wanga mu cafe, ndipo ine ndasangalala - ndi munthu wodabwitsa, wochezeka, lotseguka!
Kapena mwina palibe chamtundu uliwonse. Kungoti ku America ndikwachilendo kumwetulira mwana, kupangitsa kuti azikhala mwaubwenzi komanso kumuvomereza. Ku Paris, ngati muthamanga mozungulira bwalo lamasewera ndi mwana wanu, amawoneka ngati akukufunsani - sikuvomerezedwa ... Ndipo ku Los Angeles, aliyense amayesa kuti asawononge malo anu, palibe amene akufuna kukuphunzitsani mawonekedwe awo abwino. Ndinamva kusiyana kumeneku - kuchokera ku Paris kupita ku Los Angeles - ndendende chifukwa ndili ndi mwana wamwamuna.
Zinkawoneka kwa ine kuti unali wodziletsa kwambiri ndipo nthawi zambiri umapezeka kuti uli m'malo atsopano kotero kuti uyenera kuvomereza miyambo iliyonse ... kukhala wochita zisudzo wodziwika, mudakhala ngati wophunzira, ndipo ngakhale mu dipatimenti ya psychology, kutali kwambiri ndi makampani opanga mafilimu ...
E.G: Koma zizolowezi zatsopano ndi mwano ndizosiyana wina ndi mzake, sichoncho?
Ukakala?
E.G: Inde, ku Paris, ngati simumvera zikhalidwe zakumaloko, mutha kukhala ankhanza nanu. Pali… kutengeka mtima ndi makhalidwe. Ngakhale ulendo wosavuta wopita ku sitolo ukhoza kukhala wopanikizika chifukwa cha «protocol» muyenera kutsatira. Mmodzi wa anzanga a ku Paris ankandiphunzitsa "makhalidwe ogula": mukuyang'ana, mwachitsanzo, chinthu cha kukula kwanu. Koma choyamba, muyenera kuuza wogulitsa kuti: "Bonjour!" Ndiye muyenera kudikira 2 masekondi ndi kufunsa funso lanu.
Mnyamata wanga wakale adanditcha "Moscow", adati: nthawi zina umayang'ana pawindo mwachisoni ... Ndi "Alongo Atatu" - "Ku Moscow! Ku Moscow!»
Ngati mudalowa, yang'anani pa zopachika ndikufunsa kuti: "Kodi muli ndi 36?", Munali wamwano, ndipo mukhoza kukhala wamwano pobwezera. Saganiza zopangitsa munthu wapafupi ndi inu kukhala womasuka. Iwo amaganiza za protocol. Mwina mwanjira imeneyi akuyesera kusunga chikhalidwe chawo. Koma zinali zovuta kwa ine. Mwaona, ku France ndinatopa kwambiri ndi malamulowo. Nthawi zonse ndakhala wodzudzulidwa kwambiri. Tsopano ndikutsogozedwa kwambiri ndi kumverera. Ndikufuna kuti ena ondizungulira azikhala omasuka, kuti pasakhale wina wopsinjika, ndipo ndimachita moyenera.
Kodi maphunziro a psychology amakhudza khalidwe lanu mwanjira iliyonse? Kodi mukuganiza kuti mumamvetsetsa anthu kuposa ena?
E.G: O, inde, mumachita nawo akatswiri azamisala ngati gurus. Koma pachabe. Zikuwoneka kwa ine kuti ndine katswiri wa zamaganizo weniweni - munthu aliyense kwa ine si buku lolembedwa kale ndi kusindikizidwa mu kope linalake, lomwe muyenera kungotsegula ndikuwerenga, koma chilengedwe chapadera, chinsinsi chomwe chiyenera kumveka. .
Kodi ndinu katswiri wama psychology a ana, kodi izi zimathandiza mu ubale ndi mwana wanu?
E.G: Tonsefe timafanana tikazindikira ana athu. Ndipo aliyense alibe chochita chisanachitike chozizwitsa - kukumana ndi munthu uyu, mwana wanu. Mukudziwa, ndikutsimikiza kuti ndidzakhala agogo abwino. Ndi pamene - ndi chidziwitso cha umayi ndi chidziwitso cha psychology - ine ndidzalongosola. Ndipo tsopano palibe mtunda wokwanira pakati pathu - Ndine wochuluka kwambiri wa Alefi.
Koma wotsogolera ayenera kukhala pang'ono wa psychologist. Mu ntchito ya "Nthano ya Chikondi ndi Mdima" dipuloma anali ndithudi osati wapamwamba. Komanso, heroine wanu mmenemo akudwala matenda umunthu ... Mwa njira, wotsogolera debutant, amenenso amasankha kuchita mbali yaikulu mu filimu yake, ndi munthu wolimba mtima.
E.G: Kwa ine, ayi, osati kulimba mtima komanso ngakhale ntchito yapadera. Ndipo kuwerenga maganizo kuno, kunena zoona, sikwachilendo kwenikweni. Chowonadi ndi chakuti ndinajambula filimu ku Israel ndi Israeli. m’Chihebri. Za chikondi, chiyanjano chosasunthika pakati pa mwana wamwamuna ndi amayi ake motsutsana ndi maziko a kukhazikitsidwa kwa dziko la Israeli. Iyi ndi filimu yokhudzana ndi kukula kwa dziko ndi munthu. Ndipo zachokera pa nkhani yoboola ya mbiri yakale ya wamkulu, popanda kukokomeza, wamkulu Amos Oz.
Zonse zimachokera ku mlengalenga wa Israeli. Ndipo Israeli ndi dziko langa. Ndinabadwira kumeneko, banja langa limachokera kumeneko, nthawi zina timalankhula Chihebri kunyumba kwa makolo anga, ndipo cholowa chachiyuda m'banja mwathu ndi champhamvu kwambiri ... "Nthano ya Chikondi ndi Mdima" ndi filimu yanga yonse, palibe amene angakhoze kusewera. udindo uwu mmenemo, kupatula ine. Zingangochotsa tanthauzo la filimuyo kwa ine, tanthauzo laumwini limene ndinaikamo. Chifukwa kwa ine ndi njira yosonyezera chikondi changa kudziko ndikutanthauzira dzina langa.
Mukudziwa, anzanga onse aku America muunyamata wawo adafunsa funso ili - ndine ndani? ndine chiyani? Koma kwa ine, sipanakhalepo funso lotere: Ndine Myuda, Myuda ndi Mwisraeli. Mukanena kuti, "Ndine wochokera ku Israeli," anthu amakonda kuyambitsa kukambirana kwa maola 10 za ndale zamakono mwanjira imeneyi. Koma kwa ine palibe ndale pano, ndine wochokera ku Israeli, wochokera kudziko lomwe, inde, linali patsogolo pazochitika zachitukuko, koma ndine wochokera ku Israeli. Ndipo ine ndine wa Israeli osati wocheperapo kuposa wa Amereka.
Kodi kukhala wa Israeli kumatanthauza chiyani kwenikweni?
E.G: Ndi… Pamene ndinakumana koyamba ndi Chibuda, ndinali wosokonezeka. Buddhism ndi kuyamikira zomwe muli nazo komanso komwe muli tsopano. Ndipo ine ndinali ngati Chiyuda chonse, chimene…chomwe chiri cholumikizidwa mosalekeza ndi kulakalaka zomwe mulibe. M’dziko limene Ayuda anathamangitsidwa. Ndipo kulekanitsidwa komweku kwa “chaka chamawa ku Yerusalemu” n’kodabwitsa, ngati kuti Yerusalemu suli wa Ayuda.
Chilankhulo chomwe chimatilankhula ife: Israeli idamangidwa muchipembedzo chathu ngati chinthu chomwe tilibe. Koma tili nazo kale, dziko lakwathu labwezedwanso. Ndipo chikhumbo chikadali pamenepo ... Ndipo ndili nacho icho - kukhumudwa. Nthawi zina zimawonekera. Ngakhale… Ndilinso ndi Eastern Europe mizu, ndi zambiri mu banja chikhalidwe, ndi khalidwe langa – kuchokera kumeneko. Mwinamwake kuchokera ku Russia, kumene agogo anga aakazi amachokera.
Bwanji, mwachitsanzo?
E.G: Inde, kusungulumwa uko. Mmodzi wa zibwenzi anga ankaganiza kuti sanali Myuda, koma Russian kwathunthu. Ananditchanso "Moscow". Ndipo iye anati: inu simukuzindikira, koma momwe inu nthawi zina amaundana ndi kuyang'ana pa zenera mwachisoni kwambiri ... Ndi “Alongo Atatu” — “Ku Moscow! Ku Moscow!» Nthawi zina adandifunsa kuti ndisiye "Muscovite". Slavic chikondi ndulu - ndicho chimene Oz amachitcha dziko. Koma timakondanso kuyembekezera zozizwitsa.
Ndipo inu, zikuwoneka, mulibe choyembekezera - moyo wanu ukuwoneka bwino kale.
E.G: Ndizowona, ndili ndi mwayi kwambiri: ndili kale ndi zozizwitsa zambiri. Komabe, ngati mukuganiza kuti zikugwirizana ndi ntchito kapena kutchuka, mukulakwitsa. Ndinakumana ndi munthu wodabwitsa - Amos Oz. Chozizwitsa. Ndimatha kuthera nthawi yambiri kunyumba. Timakhazikitsanso miyambo yathu - Lachinayi galimoto imabwera kunyumba kwathu kudzataya zinyalala, ndipo nthawi zonse ndimakhala kunyumba Lachinayi. Chozizwitsa. Loweruka ndi Lamlungu timakumana ndi anzathu komanso ana awo. Pafupifupi sabata iliyonse. Chozizwitsa. Asanabwere kuno, ine ndi Aleph tinali kuyenda m’paki, ndipo kwa nthaŵi yoyamba anaona kalulu. Ndipo ine ndinawona maso ake. Ndithudi chinali chozizwitsa. Mosiyana ndi kalulu yemwe adachoka ku Aleph pa liwiro la mbale yowuluka, zozizwitsa zanga ...